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Brian Sabourin
Brian Sabourin

Proposed Title Change for "Can we all agree True Parents are Not One?"

In response to Dr. Wilson's comments in today's zoom meeting, I would like to propose a change in the title of this post. Instead of the current title shown above, I would suggest the following: Did Father and Mother Moon have conflicting understandings of God's Word and the Divine Providence?

If members of this post feel some other title along this theme would be better, perhaps each person could submit a proposal. Like Dr. Wilson, I feel a new title might attract more participation if it addresses the central issue behind the existing factions and current trends in FamilyFed teachings, and does not insult or put-off people due to perceived negative meanings expressed in the title.

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stephan winter
stephan winter
Jun 27

I think the current title reflects the question many Unification members might have, and the answers, such as Dr. Wilson offers, would be one of many answers to read about here. Would you agree?

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stephan winter
stephan winter
June 3, 2026 · updated the description of the group.

The purpose of this Group is to communicate directly with the Steering Committee regarding questions, concerns, group policy, or anything related to matters of the Unification Matters platform.

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mjmarshall48mjmarshall48

June Discussion Topic

Mark et al,

The first proposal for the June topic was Building a Decentralized Grassroots-up Movement. When it got a little more specific -- "responsibilities, reporting lines, decision-making authority" etc., it began to sound like an alternative organization to the existing Family Fed. Frankly, that's the last thing we need right now.

Decision-making authority should lie within each family; indeed should be claimed by each family, in the process of building their own foundations of faith upon which they can become owners and co-creators with God.

That is the first and most urgent step to be taken right now. It's part of the transition from servant/followers to become said owners/co-creators/ and sons and daughters of God. This process should have begun in the 1990s. The founding of the Family Federation was meant to mark that. It's my strong conviction that Father meant the "federation" part of the title quite literally.


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Mark Bramwell
Mark Bramwell
Jun 03

Yes, of course, "decision-making should lie within each family". That is what I have been fighting for for many years. Nevertheless a real "family federation" network is still going to have some kind of structure, meaning leadership, democratically elected as respresentatives. It would be an interesting exercise, for FFWPU to refect upon, to propose such a structure and see where FFWPU falls short. It would also clarify that members of the founding family have no leadership role in it but merely advisory.

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mjmarshall48mjmarshall48

Monthly Meeting Format

Mark et al,

I have a couple of suggestions for, hopefully, streamlining the monthly Zoom meeting. On Saturday we will have six presenters and, if they all use their 10 minute time allocation that will be an hour before any discussion.

Also, the other participants will have a lot to absorb as they try to formulate comments and questions.

I suggest it should be a requirement that anyone agreeing to present should summit a paper, ideally no more than 2-3 pages, but that can be flexible beforehand. A week before, ideally, but a t least 4-5 days. This would give everyone else the chance to review, reflect and formulate their comments and questions. The presenters would then speak to their paper, highlighting the key points they want to make in no more than 5 minutes.

We could even accept submission of comments and questions beforehand, as people will have read…

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stephan winter
stephan winter
Jun 02

Good idea about summiting questions ahead of the Q&A time.

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stephan winter
stephan winter

Can we all agree True Parents are Not One?

Can we all agree that True Parents are NOT one?

Jim Stephens

Good evening all,

It hit me today after weeks of back and forth, that maybe we have something in common after all.

Sun Myung Moon and Hak Ja Han ARE NOT ONE.

The idea that they are one has stood the test of time about as well as the COVID "vaccine" being "safe and effective."

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stephan winter
stephan winter

Welcome to our group Are True Parents really ONE?! A space for us to connect and share with each other. Start by posting your thoughts, sharing media, or creating a poll.

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Brian Sabourin
Brian Sabourin
Jun 04

Submitted by Brian Sabourin


Like most Unificationists, I always assumed Father and Mother were united and loved one another. I remember many speeches where I witnessed Father praising Mother and even declaring their unity. I remember how beautiful their exchanges were when Mother was conducting the World Tour for Women's Federation. They sang songs together while we all watched and witnessed what we thought was the behavior of a True Couple. My own personal experiences with both Father and Mother over the years confirmed and reinforced my understanding of their unity with one another. That's why it has been so difficult to witness events and hear words that defy that long standing faith and understanding. The evidence of differences in their understanding of God's Word and Providence is now very clear and obvious and no amount of theological wrangling and resolve the obvious differences. To deny the existence of these differences is an act of both personal and institutional denial and obfuscation. Here is just one examples that I personally experienced:

In late 2005 (I don't remember the specific date) I attended Hoon Dok Hae in East Garden when True Parents returned to America from Korea. The room was full and since I needed to leave early to make it to work I sat in the back. When True Parents came in Father sat down in front and Mother sat next to him. As they sat down, they were talking heatedly in Korean with one another. It was obvious that they were having some kind of argument but Peter Kim was not translating. Then, all of a sudden, Mother got up and stormed out of the room. Father called her to come back, but she just left. I was shocked to see this, but then something even more shocking took place. Father told Peter Kim to translate and Father shouted to Mr. Kamiyama and told him to stand up. Mr. Kamiyama stood up and Father shouted, saying very strongly, "Kamiyama, who are you going to follow, Mother or Father?" Mr. Kamiyama then shouted back, "Of course, I will follow You Father!" Father then said the same thing two more times and Mr. Kamiyama repeated even more strongly that he would only and always follow Father and not Mother. Then Father did the same thing with another leader, I think it was Rev. Kwak, and the same response was emphatically given. Next, Father addressed the entire audience, telling us to stand up as he very strongly asked us in broken English (Peter Kim helped with translation), "Who are you going to follow, Father or Mother?" We unanimously responded with a strong shout of "We will follow you, Father!" He asked us three times and we responded three times in the same manner - "We will follow you Father!" - then he told us to sit down and instructed Peter Kim to begin Hoon Dok Hae.

Well, I am sure I was not the only person in that audience who was shocked to witness this! In fact, I felt somewhat relieved because I had some degree of guilt over my own marital conflicts. Seeing Father and Mother fighting reassured me that I was not alone! However, I could not understand at that time why Father asked us to state who we were going to follow - him or Mother. Obviously, they were not arguing over who should do the dishes. Their argument was over who members should primarily follow - Father or Mother. I had always assumed that Mother was 100% aligned with Father's teachings and providential instructions, and this exchange caused me, for the first time, to wonder if that was indeed the case.

So, when we attempt to address this issue of the unity/disunity between Father and Mother, it is a waste of time to simply state beliefs. Evidence is needed. I have seen and experienced enough evidence to know that my early assumptions as to their unity were naive. But their disunity is not over a small matter of marital challenges, it involves the Word and Providence of God. It has now become glaringly apparent that they did not share the same understanding as to God's Providence and the Principle of Restoration that Father suffered so long to reveal. The evidence speaks for itself.

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stephan winter
stephan winter

Transcending Dogma

Transcending Dogma

John Redmond

Jim,

Is there a way to step back from all the poorly transcribed, translated, confusing documents, and look at Father and Mothers course from an objective lens?

Objectively, Father Promoted the Divine Principle, Unification Thought and a deeply felt connection to God's heart throughout his life. Objectively, Mother supported him, shared that vision and did her best to give him Children, support the members and respond to persecution with grace.

Objectively, as well. Father made many brilliant strategic and tactical decisions that grew the movement in a phenomenal way. He also misread situations, blundered into unnecessary controversies and trusted incompetent people.

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stephan winter
stephan winter

#Centralized vs Decentralized Email Thread

Centralized vs Decentralized

Steve Salowsky

Hi Alan,

That's the ticket! A good amount of both, but not so much as to spoil the mix.

The mvmt is so centralized now that if people think of banding together to do something, they're labeled a break-off group, are blacklisted, and just fade away. I have seen many end up like this.

One example is Shehaqua, if you know the story.

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stephan winter
stephan winter

Welcome to our group Centralized or Decentralized! A space for us to connect and share with each other. Start by posting your thoughts, sharing media, or creating a poll.

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